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POND/GREENHOUSE LINERS FOR ALL OCCASIONS (Sacramento an all areas)
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There is a company here and on Amazon selling ’45 mil” rubber liner for less than most of us pay for it! Please be careful! I have asked them to send me a sample and they refused and then I did some digging to see what they say about their product and noticed their warranty is only for one year and their product is made in China, which means you have no idea of its chemical composition. Do your “due diligence” otherwise, as they say, you get what you pay for!
I will never talk poorly about another company that is advertising but will say this: No matter whom you buy from, or the product you choose, please do yourself a favor and get reviews or complaints about that company. Don’t be taken in on low cost and make sure you are comparing “apples to apples” and not “apples to oranges! Not all liners are made equally and some liners coming out of China have chemicals your fish do not want in their home!
Let’s talk about something most pond people have never heard! When I began my love of Koi, back in the olden days of 1979, the ONLY liner we had or heard about was Firestone 45 mil EPDM rubber liner. There is a new “kid on the block” that is actually old but now the go to for larger ponds. Polyethylene is far from new but not new to those creating large ponds. Two reasons are its low cost and weight compared to rubber but more importantly its strength is 3 times strong than rubber and does not need an underlayment.
Firestone sold their production line of rubber to Holcim several years ago and they have changed the logo and name to say “ELEVATE”. It is the exact same product and the only change is the name which is confusing everyone, including us retailers.
It’s time to learn about something more puncture resistant, 1/3 lighter in weight and 3 times stronger than rubber and the great news is it is 1/3 the cost of 45 mil rubber. It has been around for years as it is what your golf courses and the government use for containment/chemical liners. Unlike rubber that comes in increments of 5 foot rolls, polyethylene is made by the foot, therefore less waste and comes in sizes you cannot buy rubber in and yes, it is fish and plant safe and does NOT need underlayment unless you have some very sharp rocks. OK, I always tell it like it is and Polyethylene is a bit stiffer but that is because it has reinforced mesh and 45 mil EPDM rubber and poly have the same 20 year warranties. Can you find anything in my description you don’t like? I thought so!
Here is the proof and difference between EPDM and POLYETHYLENE LINERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkLSFG5tohE
I had a customer who wanted to buy from me but sent me her bid from another online company that is advertising polyethylene 36 mil pond liners actually below my cost. I was so shocked and as a good detective I wanted some answers. I took the time to contact the company and asked for my wholesale pricing and samples to be sent to me. I was shocked when the sample arrived in my office, it was not good enough to use for a tarp to cover lawn furniture let alone line a pond. I contacted my supplier and asked if they knew why the cost difference and anything about the company advertising Polyethylene 36 and 40 mil liners as I do.
LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE IN PHOTO #2 – the top is the reinforced liner I sell and the bottom is what the other company is selling as poly 36 mil. One is reinforced the other is not! As they say, compare products before you buy, don’t just believe all the advertising one company is doing to confuse buyers when they are actually selling an inferior product made in China and you have no real idea if it is fish and plant safe. See the photos in my ad to see the difference and as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words! Be sure you are buying a product that will last and that is what you need for your project and be wary of products supposedly the same yet prices that are half of what anyone is quoting you.
HERE ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RUBBER, AND POLYETHYLENE – please look at the photos and the “COMPARISON CHART” showing you in numbers what I am pointing out here! Look in the upper part of the chart for the PLL-30 and PLL-40 in comparison to the Firestone 45 Mil EPDM liner down closer to the bottom and do not confuse the MIL “thickness” as they are completely different products. Both are great liners and do different jobs especially since 45 mil rubber is what I recommend for smaller ponds and the poly is made in any size you need in one piece and I recommend that for larger ponds.
GREENHOUSE FLOORS: For those starting up a new greenhouse “grow” of any kind I have a ground cloth that is both, inexpensive, waterproof and able to be walked upon. If you need it to drain it is as easy as punching a few holes in it!
POLY is used for Agriculture/hydroponics/greenhouses/tank liners/boats/roofs and RV covers and a wide range of containment applications. You can be assured it is both safe and potable for fish and humans! We have all the weights and strengths for different applications.
45 MIL RUBBER: Can be picked up 5 minutes after you order if you are close to one of our locations, otherwise it will need to be shipped. Not all of our locations are carrying the larger rolls of 40 or 50 foot wide liners because of the weight! It is soft (your old tire inner tube) It weighs .33 lbs. per sq. ft. and once you get over a certain size you best call in all your friends to help with installing it as it’s heavy! It is easier to puncture than polyethylene therefore it is usually recommended to have some kind of underlayment, or sand, or old carpet under it for protection.
A little about me!
I began Den of Interiors over 45 years ago! I am a designer, was a home building contractor until 10 years ago and today only create CAD drawings for my clients. I am one of the 6 original founding members of Northwest Koi and Goldfish Club which we began back in 1979, in Portland, OR. I began Direct2USales Pond Emporium 25 years ago to help bring the prices of koi related supplies down to affordable prices.
I am the past president of the Cascade Koi & Goldfish Club and have been in the Koi hobby for over 45 years. Just put my name into Google. I am also the author of “The Penultimate Con”. Yes, you read about my experience 35 years ago in your local newspapers. I am still helping single women all over the country and in Europe to learn about scammers who want their money!
I am always here to answer your question but don’t always get your emails, so be assured if you sent it and do not receive an answer from me, please resend it, text or call me as my cell phone is surgically attached everywhere I go.
I have been saying this for many years: “Koi is not a hobby, it becomes a lifestyle”, so make your pond a fun project, something to enjoy and not a maintenance nightmare. Your neighbor is the last person you should ask for any advice because the old saying of “one size fits all” does not work and just because it worked for him/her does not mean it will work for you.
Happy Ponding,
Terrie Kaufman
"The Pond Liner Lady"
(360) 901-6383
www.direct2usales.com
I am an artist who creates the long lost art of “copper embossing”, alcohol ink, acrylic paint pouring and I have several KOI pieces up for sale at
ART by the WILD CHILD.
https://www.facebook.com/copperandinklings/
HOUZZ: https://www.houzz.com/pro/denofinteriorsandcopperobsessions/__public
I am also the proud author of a story you may have read in your local newspapers back in 1992!
“THE PENULTIMATE CON' is the story of my experience being conned by one who the FBI considers to be 'THE BEST OF THE BEST: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AS4ZG